I've been pretty busy lately so I haven't had much time to post, but I have about five post ideas, so we'll see if I can start getting some of them written soon.
Today I want to talk about a book that recently came out titled Love Wins by Rob Bell, the pastor of the mega church Mars Hill. I haven't read this book, but I have read the FAQ page about it on the Mars Hill website, as well as several commentaries about it. It is causing quite a stir in the Christian community.
From what I can gather, Rob Bell is challenging the traditional idea of hell as a place of fire and suffering where everyone who rejects Christ must spend eternity. The FAQ page says that the book is clear that Jesus is the only way to be saved, and that it does not promote universalism, that all people go to heaven regardless of their faith.
However, there are some quotes that are troubling to me.
"He is proposing that God’s love is so big that the invitation to God’s grace may extend into the next life so that all could be saved."
"There are many who accept the invitation of the life of heaven and many who reject the invitation. Those who reject the invitation experience a
purifying “fire” of judgment in hell, yet there is hope. We live in the hope that the redemptive work of Christ is beyond what we can ask or imagine. Love Wins helps us have a biblical imagination that leaves room for the hope of the redemption of all while recognizing humanity's free will to continue to reject God."
He may not be openly preaching universalism, but it seems to me like he's flirting with the line.
I have not studied heaven or hell. I don't know what the word in Hebrew/Greek means or what Biblical scholars think they will be like. However, one parable of Jesus comes to mind.
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
I know this is a parable, but it is clearly in opposition to the theology in Love Wins. According to this passage, there is a great chasm between heaven and hell so that nobody can cross over.
It seems that Rob Bell is so focused on one attribute of God, love, that he misses all the other ones. God is full of love for His people and hates to see someone reject Him. He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). But he is also just and jealous, cannot tolerate sin, and is sometimes wrathful.
Nahum sums it up pretty well:
2 The LORD is a jealous and avenging God;
the LORD takes vengeance and is filled with wrath.
The LORD takes vengeance on his foes
and vents his wrath against his enemies.
3 The LORD is slow to anger but great in power;
the LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished.
His way is in the whirlwind and the storm,
and clouds are the dust of his feet.
4 He rebukes the sea and dries it up;
he makes all the rivers run dry.
Bashan and Carmel wither
and the blossoms of Lebanon fade.
5 The mountains quake before him
and the hills melt away.
The earth trembles at his presence,
the world and all who live in it.
6 Who can withstand his indignation?
Who can endure his fierce anger?
His wrath is poured out like fire;
the rocks are shattered before him.
7 The LORD is good,
a refuge in times of trouble.
He cares for those who trust in him,
8 but with an overwhelming flood
he will make an end of Nineveh;
he will pursue his foes into the realm of darkness.
If you only focus on one of God's attributes, you miss SO much! The danger here is that you make God into someone He is not, and then you are worshipping a God that you made up in your mind, not the God of the scriptures.
It may be easier and more comfortable to ignore the "less fun" attributes of God and believe that He is only love. Let's face it, the God that Nahum talks about is scary. But the Bible does not support that belief.
This is a pretty controversial issue, so what do you think?
I don't think we'll ever know the answer until we die. Though, I do have a hard time reconciling that some people choose not to go to church/follow Christ BECAUSE of some of the Christians they have been exposed to. There are a lot of Christians out there that do not act Christ-like but claim to be Christians (Westborrow Babtist Church for example - the picketters). Also, take the average selfish person in America and then say take Hitler...are they really going to end up in the EXACT same place even though Hitler was responsible for 6 million murders? I feel our God is merciful, and he will make all of us accountable for all of our sins - possibly by showing us the times in our lives when we had the opportunity to help someone and didn't or hurt someone (I might be thinking of it too much like the story of Scrooge). Basically, allowing one last chance for repentance. Think about doubting Thomas...did he end up in Hell because he had to put his fingers in he wounds - why wouldn't the average person be granted the same opportunity? I don't believe we know. One thing to possibly investigate (if nothing else than to make yourself a better debater) is research the Catholic church's teachings on purgatory. Not sure if any other church teaches that or not (Lutherans maybe?).
ReplyDeleteI know that I pray that those who hurt me, even if in this life they don't realize what they did, possibly after death, God will show them and they will ask for forgiveness. I use this as a very weak example as many others all over the world have been hurt far worse than I. We were very very lucky to be raised in Christian homes. Many people are not and the "human mentality" is if we can't see it or feel it, it doesn't exist - God understands the human mentality as he refers to it multiple times in the Bible. The sad truth is that many Christians if raised by athiest parents, would never entertain the idea of God. That almost makes "getting into Heaven" pre-determined by who you are born to.
Hi Cat! I spent a while last night on a reply post to you, but then my computer ate it, boo. So here's another try.
ReplyDeleteI would love to research purgatory, if anything just to make me more knowledgeable. I haven't seen much Bible evidence for it though.
For your question about the average selfish person ending up in the same place as Hitler, I know, that doesn't seem to make sense through my human filter. Here's what I believe. All people have sinned (Romans 3:23). God is perfect and holy and therefore our sin separates us from Him. And the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). To me it seems like selfishness is nowhere near the level of murder, but to God, ANY sin is less than perfect, and that is what is required to be in His presence. Thankfully, God IS merciful, and He has provided a way for us to spend eternity with Him despite our sins, by dying on the cross and paying the penalty of sin for us so that we don't have to. Romans says that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead, you will be saved. So yes, I believe that your average selfish person will end up in the same place as Hitler unless they follow Christ.
As for the other statement that being raised by atheist parents almost makes getting into heaven predetermined by who you are born to, I don't believe that is true. I think that if you have EVER heard the gospel before, you have had the opportunity to accept it or reject it, and that you will be held responsible for your own actions. The Holy Spirit can work in anyone's heart and do miracles in the life of someone who would ordinarily never entertain Christianity. Also, the Bible says that God reveals himself to all people so that no one is without excuse. However, that is not an excuse for Christians not to spread the gospel to all nations, as the great commission says.
Anyway, those are my thoughts. I am so glad that you comment on my blog, even when we disagree! I love to hear what you think.
It will be an interesting topic to study more about :) If you're interested, I can recommend books called Knowing God or Knowledge of the Holy. They are both good books for learning about what the bible says God's traits are (and they say exactly what you did -- you can't focus on one trait alone and blow it out of proportion). In the end, it's not up to us to decide who gets in to heaven and who doesn't. It will be up to Him -- and I'd rather not bet I'll have another chance.
ReplyDeleteHi Astro,
ReplyDeleteI totally agree. Thanks for commenting!